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	<title>Comments on: Redesigned Aqua Illumination LED Pops Up at Reefapalooza</title>
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		<title>By: rroselavy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rroselavy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hanging system in the pic looks so much more svelte than the preceding AI solution. Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hanging system in the pic looks so much more svelte than the preceding AI solution. Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jon</description>
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		<title>By: Jon 'hahnmeister'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon 'hahnmeister'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob
http://www.wireefsociety.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&amp;t=2612

The above link contains alot of info on efficiency and some lumen/watt efficiency ratings.  Otherwise, I would suggest looking at this:  Cree Product Characterization Tool
http://pct.cree.com/

I halide bulb that I feel would convert closely from the lumen scale to the PPFD (photometric to radiometric) would be the Ushio 10,000/14,000K bulbs.  250 watt versions of those bulbs come in at 10,500-11,000 lm.  The 400&#039;s come in at 18,500.  Looking at just XP-G&#039;s alone, in CW, assuming R5 binned LED&#039;s (I havent seen S2&#039;s available), it would take at least 55 of the XP-G&#039;s @ 181 watts to match the output of the 400watter (103.7 l/w... 18,750lm).  With 7 LED&#039;s per PCB, thats pretty much 8 of them going at just under $50 each just for the LED&#039;s.  The optics can manipulate the light better than a halide reflector, possibly allowing you to match the output of a 400 watter with about 20-25% less LED&#039;s IF a narrower spread is okay.  In cases where such a focused output doesnt help (like over a shallower/wider tank) then this doesnt provide any advantage over a halide+reflector.  

What hinders the efficiency of a system like this AI is that while there are 16 XP-G&#039;s (for 5454 lm), the XP-E blue LED&#039;s are no where near as efficient, nor as strong in output.  Luckily, the XP-G&#039;s have a strong blue spike in their output, but the the XP-E&#039;s could still be seen as an efficiency dump for the whole system.  If there were just XP-G&#039;s (24 of them), you would have 103.7 l/w.  Now, I know that the lumen scale doesnt favor blue, but lets say the output of the XP-E&#039;s was in green to weigh their output more like in the radiometric scale (or we could say that we would take a lumen scale rating where all colors are weighted equal, bending the rules, I know), then the effiency drops to something like 80 lumens/watt at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bob<br />
<a href="http://www.wireefsociety.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&#038;t=2612" rel="nofollow">http://www.wireefsociety.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&#038;t=2612</a></p>
<p>The above link contains alot of info on efficiency and some lumen/watt efficiency ratings.  Otherwise, I would suggest looking at this:  Cree Product Characterization Tool<br />
<a href="http://pct.cree.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pct.cree.com/</a></p>
<p>I halide bulb that I feel would convert closely from the lumen scale to the PPFD (photometric to radiometric) would be the Ushio 10,000/14,000K bulbs.  250 watt versions of those bulbs come in at 10,500-11,000 lm.  The 400&#8242;s come in at 18,500.  Looking at just XP-G&#8217;s alone, in CW, assuming R5 binned LED&#8217;s (I havent seen S2&#8242;s available), it would take at least 55 of the XP-G&#8217;s @ 181 watts to match the output of the 400watter (103.7 l/w&#8230; 18,750lm).  With 7 LED&#8217;s per PCB, thats pretty much 8 of them going at just under $50 each just for the LED&#8217;s.  The optics can manipulate the light better than a halide reflector, possibly allowing you to match the output of a 400 watter with about 20-25% less LED&#8217;s IF a narrower spread is okay.  In cases where such a focused output doesnt help (like over a shallower/wider tank) then this doesnt provide any advantage over a halide+reflector.  </p>
<p>What hinders the efficiency of a system like this AI is that while there are 16 XP-G&#8217;s (for 5454 lm), the XP-E blue LED&#8217;s are no where near as efficient, nor as strong in output.  Luckily, the XP-G&#8217;s have a strong blue spike in their output, but the the XP-E&#8217;s could still be seen as an efficiency dump for the whole system.  If there were just XP-G&#8217;s (24 of them), you would have 103.7 l/w.  Now, I know that the lumen scale doesnt favor blue, but lets say the output of the XP-E&#8217;s was in green to weigh their output more like in the radiometric scale (or we could say that we would take a lumen scale rating where all colors are weighted equal, bending the rules, I know), then the effiency drops to something like 80 lumens/watt at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have two 400W MH and some PC&#039;s over my 90g mixed reef tank.  Could these be used to replace them?  What is their capacity/brightness/par??? vs a MH?
Thanks,
Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two 400W MH and some PC&#8217;s over my 90g mixed reef tank.  Could these be used to replace them?  What is their capacity/brightness/par??? vs a MH?<br />
Thanks,<br />
Bob</p>
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