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		<title>By: More Info on Deltec&#8217;s New TC &#38; SC Skimmers &#124; glassbox-design.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>More Info on Deltec&#8217;s New TC &#38; SC Skimmers &#124; glassbox-design.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 12:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has released additional information on their new white, dual chamber bubble plate line=. The most notable release being their in-sump SC line. The TC and SC acronyms come from Twin [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has released additional information on their new white, dual chamber bubble plate line=. The most notable release being their in-sump SC line. The TC and SC acronyms come from Twin [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deltec&#8217;s New TC2560 Skimmer with Bubble Plate and Silencer &#124; glassbox-design.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deltec&#8217;s New TC2560 Skimmer with Bubble Plate and Silencer &#124; glassbox-design.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 08:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has released updated photos of their new skimmer featuring bright white construction. We previously wrote about Deltec&#8217;s initial prototype and the new TC2560 features the same patented bubble plate and needlewheel pump capable of pulling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has released updated photos of their new skimmer featuring bright white construction. We previously wrote about Deltec&#8217;s initial prototype and the new TC2560 features the same patented bubble plate and needlewheel pump capable of pulling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://glassbox-design.com/2009/deltec-skimmers-to-feature-new-pumps-and-patented-bubble-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-4342</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deltec is overpriced IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deltec is overpriced IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://glassbox-design.com/2009/deltec-skimmers-to-feature-new-pumps-and-patented-bubble-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-4337</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend recently replaced his 701 with an ATB 840 there is no comparison really the bubble density and smooth transition are big improvements, performance and water clarity greatly improved all at 1/2 the watts of a 1260 powered skimmer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend recently replaced his 701 with an ATB 840 there is no comparison really the bubble density and smooth transition are big improvements, performance and water clarity greatly improved all at 1/2 the watts of a 1260 powered skimmer.</p>
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		<title>By: eric michael</title>
		<link>http://glassbox-design.com/2009/deltec-skimmers-to-feature-new-pumps-and-patented-bubble-plate/comment-page-1/#comment-4333</link>
		<dc:creator>eric michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 23:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeremy, a constant diameter tube may perform just as well. I have discussed this many times with various reefers. Some downdraft skimmers feature this and DDs are the best comparison I can offer when discussing the calm bubble stacking effect seen in conical skimmers.

With downdrafts the step transitions are harsh, but often then extend to a 1-2&#039; neck. Turbulence is reduced below in the box and transitions, but the foam head allowed to rise without obstruction or turbulence into an extended neck straight to the cup. NWs are a different animal, but some DDs such as the ETSS 1500 or the oldy-but-goody RDIII come to mind regarding the constant tube diameter.

As Mike pointed out, a cone is not the end all be all. Air draw must still be matched to the body and neck size. 

Regarding skimmer comparisons... less air, less contact time. Observed so far: Less nutrients, less turbulence and less electric consumption. (All 3 pluses in my book ;) )

I do believe the cone design is better than &quot;traditional&quot; skimmers. The real questions are how much better and does the improvement warrant the price? I am not sure these questions will ever be answered for any skimmer. 

Lastly price. With molds becoming prevalent, if the trend continues cones will slowly become comparable in cost to cylindrical skimmers. Unfortunately this hobby cannot support the volume for significant R&amp;D making early adoption expensive... but that&#039;s what helps keep the hobby progressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeremy, a constant diameter tube may perform just as well. I have discussed this many times with various reefers. Some downdraft skimmers feature this and DDs are the best comparison I can offer when discussing the calm bubble stacking effect seen in conical skimmers.</p>
<p>With downdrafts the step transitions are harsh, but often then extend to a 1-2&#8242; neck. Turbulence is reduced below in the box and transitions, but the foam head allowed to rise without obstruction or turbulence into an extended neck straight to the cup. NWs are a different animal, but some DDs such as the ETSS 1500 or the oldy-but-goody RDIII come to mind regarding the constant tube diameter.</p>
<p>As Mike pointed out, a cone is not the end all be all. Air draw must still be matched to the body and neck size. </p>
<p>Regarding skimmer comparisons&#8230; less air, less contact time. Observed so far: Less nutrients, less turbulence and less electric consumption. (All 3 pluses in my book <img src='http://glassbox-design.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>I do believe the cone design is better than &#8220;traditional&#8221; skimmers. The real questions are how much better and does the improvement warrant the price? I am not sure these questions will ever be answered for any skimmer. </p>
<p>Lastly price. With molds becoming prevalent, if the trend continues cones will slowly become comparable in cost to cylindrical skimmers. Unfortunately this hobby cannot support the volume for significant R&#038;D making early adoption expensive&#8230; but that&#8217;s what helps keep the hobby progressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 18:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jeremy - I see your point, but I do think cones are more than a fad.  I am incredibly impressed with my ATB L.  The thing to me that stands out about the cone is the consistency of its foam head, and I think this is its main benefit (which results from less turbulence). That said I do agree with you that there are other factors.  A cylindrical body with a well-matched pump can outperform a cone with an improperly matched pump.  However, all else being equal (e.g., well-matched pumps, etc.), I think cones do outperform bodies with more drastic neck transitions. 

This is one reason I went with ATB, as it seemed from the skimmer experts I spoke with that the Airstar was perfectly matched to its body size...I wonder how the Vertex cone with two RDs pulling 3600 lph will match to a smaller body than my L that pulls ~2100-2200 lph, and seems a perfect match to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jeremy &#8211; I see your point, but I do think cones are more than a fad.  I am incredibly impressed with my ATB L.  The thing to me that stands out about the cone is the consistency of its foam head, and I think this is its main benefit (which results from less turbulence). That said I do agree with you that there are other factors.  A cylindrical body with a well-matched pump can outperform a cone with an improperly matched pump.  However, all else being equal (e.g., well-matched pumps, etc.), I think cones do outperform bodies with more drastic neck transitions. </p>
<p>This is one reason I went with ATB, as it seemed from the skimmer experts I spoke with that the Airstar was perfectly matched to its body size&#8230;I wonder how the Vertex cone with two RDs pulling 3600 lph will match to a smaller body than my L that pulls ~2100-2200 lph, and seems a perfect match to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Maneyapanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Maneyapanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, I wouldnt disagree with that at all.  I would just like to look at all things equally.  Why is your current skimmer performing better?  Can it be chalked up to the cone exclusively?  What about pump, air mixture, water flow, bioload, etc?  And dont even get me started on what it means to have a skimmer perform &quot;better&quot;? ;)

Its no secret, cone are very difficult (and/or expensive) to make in a quality manner.  However, to what end will this help?  Would a constant diameter tube perform better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I wouldnt disagree with that at all.  I would just like to look at all things equally.  Why is your current skimmer performing better?  Can it be chalked up to the cone exclusively?  What about pump, air mixture, water flow, bioload, etc?  And dont even get me started on what it means to have a skimmer perform &#8220;better&#8221;? <img src='http://glassbox-design.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Its no secret, cone are very difficult (and/or expensive) to make in a quality manner.  However, to what end will this help?  Would a constant diameter tube perform better?</p>
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		<title>By: NOVA GERAÇÃO SKIMMERS DELTEC &#171; Reefsimples - Blog de aquarismo do Roberto Pinto</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOVA GERAÇÃO SKIMMERS DELTEC &#171; Reefsimples - Blog de aquarismo do Roberto Pinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 15:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eric michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 02:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeremy, I think there are significant gains to be had from gentle neck reductions. This can be achieved in ways beyond full cones. The ATB I am currently using performs well beyond recirculating skimmers (bubble plate and non-bubble plate) that I have used in the past. 

It&#039;s too early to make any calls, if any can be made... but I do believe there is something to the gentle reductions---the cone being the obvious epitome of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeremy, I think there are significant gains to be had from gentle neck reductions. This can be achieved in ways beyond full cones. The ATB I am currently using performs well beyond recirculating skimmers (bubble plate and non-bubble plate) that I have used in the past. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s too early to make any calls, if any can be made&#8230; but I do believe there is something to the gentle reductions&#8212;the cone being the obvious epitome of this.</p>
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		<title>By: eric michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 02:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris, thanks for the link to that JNS (WM). When testing the WM RX150 for Warner I indicated to them that the bubble plate was too small for recirculation without taking in bubbles present in the chamber. This looks to solve that problem. 

That said it&#039;s a bit unfair to claim Deltec as a knock off. They are an innovator of the recirculating design and many skimmers should pay homage to the AP line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris, thanks for the link to that JNS (WM). When testing the WM RX150 for Warner I indicated to them that the bubble plate was too small for recirculation without taking in bubbles present in the chamber. This looks to solve that problem. </p>
<p>That said it&#8217;s a bit unfair to claim Deltec as a knock off. They are an innovator of the recirculating design and many skimmers should pay homage to the AP line.</p>
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