Comments on: 5 High Performance Hang on the Back Skimmers

By: Recommend me a QUIET skimmer

Recommend me a QUIET skimmer — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:55:23 +0000

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By: skimerwhisperer

skimerwhisperer — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:48:48 +0000

sorry for getting agro, eric,
my only “agenda” is to help people make informed decisions about skimmer purchases and to praise manufacturers who make equipment that is well made without taking us all to the bank. I dont care who makes what, just that it performs as advertised, and that companies stand behind their products. I also dislike it when skimmers/equipment become popular, but is made from sub-par parts/pumps, and I’m not afraid to reveal those to the public. So if that’s an agenda, then so be it. And unfortunately, I disagree with you, I think that CS is paramount to making purchases, and is almost as important as performance and build quality. Im not going to just rely upon the “good will” of my LFS, personally…

Thanks for the good luck, I’m going to need it if I’m to survive in the insane, cut throat world of skimmer production….lol

By: eric michael

eric michael — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:15:47 +0000

@skimer

Nothing misinformed about the above statements. You’ve made your personal agendas well known on various forums. Please keep it civil here or keep your comments to yourself.

Best of luck on your new equipment line.

By: skimerwhisperer

skimerwhisperer — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:58:06 +0000

WOW…very laughable…
poor skimmer advice, and mis-information, what a treat!

By: eric michael

eric michael — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:40:34 +0000

@skimer,

Some quick responses before heading out the door:

-The SWC is mentioned, forewarning about modifications is also given for both models. Depending on bio-load either can be applicable.

-Customer service has no bearing on skimmer performance. At the end of the day the dealer you buy from is your CS go-to. Both are made in the same place and feature the same motor block.

-Yes, most people in the HOB market place do not require 32 scfh. That amount of air draw can easily handle a 150g tank on a well designed skimmer. (At this volume, in sump or externals are a much better option.) A proper balanced body and neck to air intake should be the goal, not air stats alone.

-The BH-500 features a very poor pump IMO.

-SWC did not “originate” that design. It has been through out Asia for many years… as well as featured on Deltec prior to. These days everything is built upon one another… if it is truly inventive, skimmer companies should patent the idea.

-Moded or not, Sedra pumps are poor for skimmer applications. However, Jon Warner is extremely limited–at that size there are not many options. JNS is the only company I am aware of modifying these pumps.

By: skimerwhisperer

skimerwhisperer — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 02:38:41 +0000

You put that octo bh-800 up there, then say most people don’t need the 32scfh that the SWC extreme hob provides??? …wow

IMO, octo bh-800 is total crap and has to be modded to accommodate for CV’s lack of intelligence.
And not to mention it’s a total rip off of the SWC bh-500 with a crappily modded, mis-matched sicce psk2500 installed, add CV’s notoriously poor CS and you get a very poor skimmer.

Both the SWC bh-500 and new extreme hob overpower the deltec mce600, are quieter than the mce600, cheaper, and have a better neck/cup design, IMO.

Also, the WM H1, even 1st gen. was an incredible skimmer for nano tanks!!! even with it’ small neck and turbulent body it totally rocked! now it’s getting the bubble plate and wider neck, and the WM mods on the sedra pumps is unparalleled.

By: Luke33

Luke33 — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:53:50 +0000

For a sub 35g tank the bubble magnus skimmers are pretty tough to beat as well. They are kinda ugly with there bright colors but they pull out the serious crud. For $110 and less pretty tough to beat for a small tank.

By: eric michael

eric michael — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:04:13 +0000

@amashun — The Rogue and Deltecs also feature what many would consider mismatched necks.

Tune it right and it’s not an issue– maxing out LPH on the Sicce should not be the goal– CNC’s for example pulled 25scfh.

By: eric michael

eric michael — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:52:42 +0000

@Luke. Come on now– “the best part of the HOT“. I am talking singular here; once again comparing the Extreme HOT to the Octo.

By: amashun

amashun — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:46:57 +0000

the small neck of that RO skimmer should surely skim very well with the Sicce pump. but wait, does overflow = skim very well?