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With out digging deeply into the scientific area of this, the goal of bacterioplankton systems such as Carbon dosing, Prodibio, Ultralith and Zeovit is to grow bacteria in order to consumer phosphates and nitrates, which are then exported via a protein skimmer. This can be achieved with simple carbon dosing such as sugar, or more […]

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With out digging deeply into the scientific area of this, the goal of bacterioplankton systems such as Carbon dosing, Prodibio, Ultralith and Zeovit is to grow bacteria in order to consumer phosphates and nitrates, which are then exported via a protein skimmer. This can be achieved with simple carbon dosing such as sugar, or more complex means such as zeovit, involving reactors, mutiple dosings and color manipulating additives.  (Because the bacteria are exported via skimming, a well functioning skimmer is a must!) The goal of these methods is to lower nutrients, allowing corals to such as SPS to be as vibrant as possible.

Here is a photo of Iwan’s reef. He is the one who intrigued us with these methods and this is what can be achieved.

 iwanlasser1.jpg

We have experimented extensively with this, and below is the results of various trial and error. Although science backs-up Carbon dosing and nutrient export as used by bacterioplankton systems, our “dosing” schedule was achieved through observation and experimentation (far from scientific). If you are considering any one of these systems we urge you to read and research as much as you can.  The [The Zeovit Forums] have a great archive of information, and there are many heated threads on just about every major forum on this topic. In the end, cardon dosing works, but can be dangerous. Like with any changes to your reefs, start slow. Because every tank is unique it is extremely important to carefully observe your animal’s reactions.

One of the major concerns with simple carbon dosing is “monocultures” of bacteria. The logic of this being, certain bacteria utilize certain carbon sources better than others.  If bac strain A utilizes ethanol (vodka) better than bac strain B, and you only dose ethanol…all things the same, strain A will out-compete strain B.

Although a true monoculture will likely never occur, because we are an equal bacteria supporter we have created a mixed C-Source made up of Vodka, Acetate, and Sugar.  We are unsure of the shelf life of this, so to be safe we make small batches every couple month or so. Through dosing individual carbon sources, we have also noticed different effects. The make up of this mixed C concoction is based on those observations.

 carbon sources 

Here you can see the ingredients of our ’system’: Vodka (ethanol), Vinegar (acetate), and Sugar. (The Gin is for your enjoyment) You will also notice the [Prodibio Bio Digest] which I will get into later. This is often referred to on the online forums as glassbox-design VSV.

For this batch we used 200ml’s Vodka, 50ml’s vinegar, and 1.5tbsp sugar. Upon initial mixing, the solution will foam from the vinegar, it should turn completely clear in less than 30mins Depending on the reaction of the tank, we change the make-up accordingly. We find Vinegar can create unwanted white bacteria growth more so than the other two, so if we notice this in the next batch we will reduce the amount of vinegar. For sugar we notice more surface film, and occasionally dinos. Again if this occurs we reduce the amount added to the next batch. Because we just re-started heavy C-dosing we are currently dosing .6ml’s of this solution daily on a 100g system.

A good starting point is .1-.5ml per 20g. This may seem like very little, but it is best to start slow and increase the amount over time to prevent a bacteria bloom.This occurs from overdosing on a Carbon source and clouds the water milky white. This can cause systems to crash from oxygen depletion as the bacteria utilize what available oxygen there is, suffocating your fish and corals. (Another reason why a powerful protein skimmer is a must when using these methods).

When dosing carbon, you dont always get the bacteria you want to grow. To help this and create a diverese bacteria population in the water column we dose [Prodibio Bio Digest]

prodibio bac 

Bio Digest is packaged in small glass ampoules with nitrogen gas (cool huh?) In these small vials are both nitrifying and denitrifying bacteria. Specifically the Strains are Nitrosomonas europea, Nitrobacter winogradskyi, Paracoccus denitrificans, and Pseudomonas stuzerii. Prodibio claims they contain 20 Billion bacteria per ampoule.

Due to the life cycle of the bacteria, they recommend dosing every 15 days and as such we follow. We currently are dosing 1 ampoule on our own tank, but when transitioning the livestock to it’s new home we will use a double dose to help keep ammonia, and nitrate down during that high-stress time.

One highly important aspect of these system is mimicking natural saltwater parameters. Alkalinity fluctuations in particular can be damaging.  We aim for Alk 7.5 (w Seachem Reef Salt ~6.5 true alk due to borate content) Cal: 420 Mg: 1300.  We also do weekly 10-20% waterchanges to keep proper levels of trace elements and supplement with Amino acids and Potassium iodide. These trace elements are extremely important to coloration of SPS as well as bacterial growth. Another important aspect  for bacteria health is Amino Acids.

For more info on Aminos’ check out this article: Do they work? 

Carbon dosing is not for everyone, however it works for us. There is risk involved and please do not try this unless you are up to the task and have done your research. We are not responsible for tank crashing, or your acroporas becoming more colorful…all of that is your own doing. 

We hope sharing our experiences helps others and can spark new ideas in this area.

Cheers,

e&f 

 

 

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18 Comments

  1. February 26, 2008 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Thts pretty impressive. The colors are amazing. Almost makes me want to start an SPS tank

  2. February 27, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Nice post. I currently use a ‘hybrid blend’ of Prodibio & Fauna Marin products. I found that when I started to wean off the Prodib, my tank didn’t look as “clean”. What to think about that, I’m not sure. Either the FM hasn’t had enough time to take care of business on its own, or it seems that the combo of the products is more efficient. Like the tank in the picture, I’m not sure exactly what Iwan is running now, but I do do know at one point he was indeed using a combination of products as well. I will try and take the prodibio out of my regimen again in another couple months to see how the FM does on its own. Carbon dosing does indeed work, no doubt. But, as you mention, it’s definitely not for everyone. Nor is it the magic solution to a kick ass reef tank.

    My current dosing consists of:

    1st + 15th - 1 amp Prod. Biodigest
    7th + 21st - 1 amp Bioptim
    M-T-W-TH-F - Doses of FM Bak, MinS, AMIN
    M-W-F - 1 drop Bio
    2x / week - 1/2 doses of the aa’s soaked into ultralife

    Soon to add the Power-Trace elements
    1. Strontium/Calcium
    2. Iron/Zinc
    3. Iodine/Boron
    4. Magnesium

    Looks kind of like a pain on paper, but it really only takes 5 minutes a day to dose everything.

  3. miwoodar
    March 5, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    E&F - Great little summary.

    Might you have any comments on the potency of your vodka/sugar/acetate concoction relative to any of the proprietary blends? Do you think it is stronger or weaker?

  4. e&f
    March 6, 2008 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    miwoodar,

    Thanks for the comment. I don’t feel we can accurately comment on other brands Carbon sources. I have not tried using KZ’s or FM’s with prodibio, but we are considering to compare the effects to our own DIY mixed C source. If we do, I will be sure to do a write up on it.

    L,

    The new bac from FM concerns me…not in ampoules or in the fridge, im somewhat skeptic. How has it been working for you?

  5. March 24, 2008 at 5:19 am | Permalink

    very nice, looks like poor mans zoavit. going to give this a try.

  6. March 26, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    thanks much, dude

  7. Hans
    June 22, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Tnx for this article, just making sure, before trying myself, are u dosing one ampul every 15 days? Dont u need to dose more, if u have a big aquarium? my own is about 1600L total.

  8. June 22, 2008 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Hi Hans,

    Thanks for stopping by. Yes you are correct, water volume does need to be taken into consideration. Prodibio states that 1 ampoule will treat 1,000L, so dosing 2 would cover your 1600L total volume.

    No need to worry about overdosing the bacteria (BioDigest), but take care in dosing the VSV Carbon source.

    Let us know if you have any other questions.

    Eric Michael

  9. Hans
    June 25, 2008 at 3:36 am | Permalink

    HI again, tnx for your reply.

    One thing has been on my mind, for a few days. Do you recomend, no3 filtres and uv to be turned off when using this metod or?

    with Zeovit, you normaly dont use no3 filter and uv, so what are you views on that?

  10. June 25, 2008 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Hi Hans,

    By No3 filter, do you mean No3 reactor based on sulpher or alcohol? E.g. Korallin?

    I do not suggest using either no3 reactors or UV, but you may need to “wean” your self off of the No3 reactor until the bacteria are established enough to handle the aquarium by themselves.

    They can be counter productive to the bacteria, much like ZeoVit.

  11. Hans
    June 25, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    yup i meant those.. tnx. just wondering, how fast did u see a change in the color?

  12. June 25, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Hi Hans,

    It’s very difficult to say… we’ve changed lighting and additives during the dosing, but I would say it took 2-3 months for nutrients to lower before visible color changes occurred.

    It will vary depending on the existing nutrient levels of each tank.

  13. Jens
    June 25, 2008 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Nice article, this may start a whole new trend in the saltwater hobbye. One thing thought, u recomend starting with 5ml per 20g.

    Should that be increased over time, and to what?

    i have before used sugar to raise bateria grown with in the water, and lower no3. So why add more than the sugar?

  14. June 26, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Hi Jens,

    We suggest 0.5ml per 20g, but each tank is different. For example that is the total amount we dose on our 100g system. If you experience any bloom or cloudiness cut the dosage in half and re-evaluate.

    A good level to increase it would be 0.1ml per week. I know these does not seem like much, but it is best to take things slow. Also, you don’t always want to be increasing the dosage. Once you find a good maintenance dose that keeps nutrients low, stick with it.

    The reason for adding multiple carbon sources is due to their indiscriminate nature. Not every bacteria will metabolize sugar as well as the other, so by using a mixture you can create even competition amongst the strains.

    From the article:
    “The logic of this being, certain bacteria utilize certain carbon sources better than others. If bac strain A utilizes ethanol (vodka) better than bac strain B, and you only dose ethanol…all things the same, strain A will out-compete strain B.”

  15. Hans
    July 5, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Ozon, is that something u should stay away from with this kinda system?

  16. July 5, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Hi Hans,

    Yes in my opinion. Some may argue that ozone will not kill the bacteria that carbon dosed system try to grow… But I would not suggest it.

    You will also notice Zeovit, Ultralith, and Pordibio suggest not to use ozone or UV.

  17. July 16, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    I’ll have a look around for some Prodibio. In the meantime, is Seachem Stability ok to use? Also, when you say 0.5ml per 20 gallons, is that per day or per week?

    Great site.

  18. July 16, 2008 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Hi James,

    Thanks for stopping by. We highly suggest using Prodibio BioDigest. In the meantime some people do claim that Seachem Stability works for this type of application, but we have no personal experience with it.

    The .5ml per 20g is per day. Depending on nutrient levels and experience with Carbon Dosing, .1ml per 20g is a good starting point to judge your systems reactions. It all varies from tank to tank, so it’s best to take it slow.

    Let us know if you have further questions.

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